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		<title>Comment on NY Times Book Critics Should Practice What They Preach by Ross Carper</title>
		<link>http://www.leegutkind.com/blogs/?p=16&#038;cpage=1#comment-137</link>
		<dc:creator>Ross Carper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jun 2010 06:05:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reviewing a reviewer-- I enjoyed this, maybe a little too much. And, irrelevant as it is--a million dollar advance for a first novel? This clearly isn&#039;t something to be snide about as a writer. This is a reason to get this guy on the phone and ask him how he pulled that off, while offering sincerest congratulations.
The last line is priceless... the reviewer in question is criticizing a writer for trying to demonstrate imagination? So is that better or worse than writing that tries to demonstrate vigilant use of a word-of-the-day desk calendar?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reviewing a reviewer&#8211; I enjoyed this, maybe a little too much. And, irrelevant as it is&#8211;a million dollar advance for a first novel? This clearly isn&#8217;t something to be snide about as a writer. This is a reason to get this guy on the phone and ask him how he pulled that off, while offering sincerest congratulations.<br />
The last line is priceless&#8230; the reviewer in question is criticizing a writer for trying to demonstrate imagination? So is that better or worse than writing that tries to demonstrate vigilant use of a word-of-the-day desk calendar?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Creative Writing Critique Groups by John Gilmore</title>
		<link>http://www.leegutkind.com/blogs/?p=15&#038;cpage=1#comment-27</link>
		<dc:creator>John Gilmore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 02:24:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lee, &lt;br /&gt;
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I read this a while back, then came looking for it tonight after our informal writers group session. Two members had brought up the idea that we ought to have a leader, a facilitator, and I&#039;d mentioned I&#039;d read they should be paid and a non-submitter of work. &lt;br /&gt;
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Although no one was willing to relinquish their rights to be workshopped, and no one was willing/able to pay such a person, we did decide on a leader, and there was a definite positive effect on the evening as a result. &lt;br /&gt;
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My experience with this group, while young, is rather positive. We&#039;re limiting the group to about 10, 5 who come steadily. I wonder what you think about off and on attendees and ideal group sizes? &lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lee, </p>
<p>I read this a while back, then came looking for it tonight after our informal writers group session. Two members had brought up the idea that we ought to have a leader, a facilitator, and I&#8217;d mentioned I&#8217;d read they should be paid and a non-submitter of work. </p>
<p>Although no one was willing to relinquish their rights to be workshopped, and no one was willing/able to pay such a person, we did decide on a leader, and there was a definite positive effect on the evening as a result. </p>
<p>My experience with this group, while young, is rather positive. We&#8217;re limiting the group to about 10, 5 who come steadily. I wonder what you think about off and on attendees and ideal group sizes? </p>
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		<title>Comment on Wake Up To Creative Nonfiction, NEA! by Gloria Ives</title>
		<link>http://www.leegutkind.com/blogs/?p=14&#038;cpage=1#comment-24</link>
		<dc:creator>Gloria Ives</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 17:04:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am thrilled to have this forum here, as in 1984, I was a student of Journalism, and ended up in the college of Interpersonal Communication. Wanted to write, but I quickly determined, that what I wanted to write was creative, and creativity doesn&#039;t have a place in Journalism. I was fortunate to take a creative writing class at Ohio University, with Daniel Keyes, of Flowers For Algernon. It was there that I learned, &quot;Show me, Don&#039;t tell me.&quot; But we were writing short stories. &lt;br /&gt;
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20 years, 3 kids, two states and 5 pets later, I have lots of Life experience under my belt. I&#039;ve listened to lots of NPR, read lots and lots of Nonfiction books, experienced anxiety, depression, and a minor heart attack, and I have something to say.&lt;br /&gt;
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 I&#039;ve watched my children read books in high school that I didn&#039;t read until college. I&#039;ve pored over my daughter&#039;s AP English Composition  book, reading many of the varied compositions, learning a little along side her, while I read books on yoga, and Buddhism , Animal behavior, human behavior, memoir, and health. I&#039;ve read books and podcasts and documentaries about Einstein, and God, about Robert Frost and Gandhi, and Thoreau. &lt;br /&gt;
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My Children have read many more classics than I have. But My Book shelves are filled with more, &quot;obscure&quot; books- on Native American Totems, and The God Particle, and St. Francis of Assisi.  But with all this truth, there emerges  the inevitable--individual recycling--the distilling of the truth, when it passes through and simmers in the personal Psyche. And that distilled wisdom, via truth and personal experience, equals point of view--Intuition personified.&lt;br /&gt;
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I am happy to finally know that what I write has a name, but am also quite confident that what I write, although categorized, wont feel like what anyone else has to say.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am thrilled to have this forum here, as in 1984, I was a student of Journalism, and ended up in the college of Interpersonal Communication. Wanted to write, but I quickly determined, that what I wanted to write was creative, and creativity doesn&#8217;t have a place in Journalism. I was fortunate to take a creative writing class at Ohio University, with Daniel Keyes, of Flowers For Algernon. It was there that I learned, &#8220;Show me, Don&#8217;t tell me.&#8221; But we were writing short stories. </p>
<p>20 years, 3 kids, two states and 5 pets later, I have lots of Life experience under my belt. I&#8217;ve listened to lots of NPR, read lots and lots of Nonfiction books, experienced anxiety, depression, and a minor heart attack, and I have something to say.</p>
<p> I&#8217;ve watched my children read books in high school that I didn&#8217;t read until college. I&#8217;ve pored over my daughter&#8217;s AP English Composition  book, reading many of the varied compositions, learning a little along side her, while I read books on yoga, and Buddhism , Animal behavior, human behavior, memoir, and health. I&#8217;ve read books and podcasts and documentaries about Einstein, and God, about Robert Frost and Gandhi, and Thoreau. </p>
<p>My Children have read many more classics than I have. But My Book shelves are filled with more, &#8220;obscure&#8221; books- on Native American Totems, and The God Particle, and St. Francis of Assisi.  But with all this truth, there emerges  the inevitable&#8211;individual recycling&#8211;the distilling of the truth, when it passes through and simmers in the personal Psyche. And that distilled wisdom, via truth and personal experience, equals point of view&#8211;Intuition personified.</p>
<p>I am happy to finally know that what I write has a name, but am also quite confident that what I write, although categorized, wont feel like what anyone else has to say.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Creative Writing Critique Groups by Kimn Swenson Gollnick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kimn Swenson Gollnick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 06:55:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lee, I came to your blog via the CNF Web site while preparing for Robin Hemley&#039;s class last night at UI. Thank you for taking time to talk with our class, by the way. As an older student who returned to college with 15 years as a freelance writer in the &quot;populist&quot; and Christian press, I truly appreciated your advice to the class: to experience life, to get outside academia, because we become better writers for it. (Amen!) &lt;br /&gt;
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In your blog post you asked for comments on critique groups. I have been active in several and co-founded three, one in CompuServe&#039;s original writers&#039; roundtable, and two in-person groups. I formed my current group here in Iowa when my family and I moved from Seattle and I couldn&#039;t find one that met my needs; one group at a large bookstore chain attracted too many people so our work would be read in rotation only once every quarter, another group specialized in romance-only writing, and another group turned out to be more social and less critique, not a working writers&#039; group. So, I started my own.&lt;br /&gt;
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I appreciate and need the &quot;fresh eyes&quot; of other working writers. And our group not only critiques each others&#039; work, but I bring market news each month to our members and I encourage them to do the same. We also share publishing successes at the beginning of our meeting and it&#039;s gratifying to see something in print that we helped a fellow writer polish. The group has been active since 2002, with members who have come and gone, growing to as many as 12 (too many, actually, for same-night critiquing), to our now comfortable and stable group of 6. &lt;br /&gt;
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I also co-founded a Seattle-area group during the 1990s with friend and fellow writer Shannon Woodward, and it, too, ended up with six members. That one operated differently, in that we emailed or brought pieces to be critiqued a month in advance (a policy I tend to prefer because of the depth of attention and resultant feedback I can give someone&#039;s writing). My group here in Iowa prefers bringing work to the meeting the same night, so I&#039;ve adapted. We take an hour to read followed by an hour to discuss feedback. It works for us.&lt;br /&gt;
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As for meeting places, the Seattle group rotated between members&#039; homes, while my Iowa group meets at a local Panera&#039;s cafe, making use of the free conference room. We used to meet in the public library until last year&#039;s massive Iowa flood destroyed the main library, pushing groups who needed conference rooms to the other two smaller libraries in our area--scheduling became impossible, so we moved to the cafe.&lt;br /&gt;
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In addition, I have been subject to the &quot;Iowa workshop&quot; experience, having participated in two semesters offered to undergrad students, the &quot;Creative Writing Workshop&quot; and the recently revived &quot;Writers&#039; Workshop, Fiction for Undergraduates&quot; (my submitted story won me a spot during my final semester as an undergrad). The biggest adjustment I found I had to make was that many of my classmates critiqued from personal preference or idiosyncrasies, rather than trying to make the pieces the &quot;best&quot; they could be, to realize their full potential. There was also some showing off going on, or writing for shock value rather than writing something of value. I&#039;m still grateful for the experience and the challenge to produce some interesting new projects generated from those classes, but I also value the feedback from my writing friends who may not have an MFA, but who successfully write for publication, or who bring insight from their life experience in their feedback to bear on my own projects.&lt;br /&gt;
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Thanks again for sharing your time and expertise with us writers in the graduate class as well as online, Lee. It&#039;s a pleasure to meet you and benefit from &lt;i&gt;your&lt;/i&gt; experience.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lee, I came to your blog via the CNF Web site while preparing for Robin Hemley&#8217;s class last night at UI. Thank you for taking time to talk with our class, by the way. As an older student who returned to college with 15 years as a freelance writer in the &#8220;populist&#8221; and Christian press, I truly appreciated your advice to the class: to experience life, to get outside academia, because we become better writers for it. (Amen!) </p>
<p>In your blog post you asked for comments on critique groups. I have been active in several and co-founded three, one in CompuServe&#8217;s original writers&#8217; roundtable, and two in-person groups. I formed my current group here in Iowa when my family and I moved from Seattle and I couldn&#8217;t find one that met my needs; one group at a large bookstore chain attracted too many people so our work would be read in rotation only once every quarter, another group specialized in romance-only writing, and another group turned out to be more social and less critique, not a working writers&#8217; group. So, I started my own.</p>
<p>I appreciate and need the &#8220;fresh eyes&#8221; of other working writers. And our group not only critiques each others&#8217; work, but I bring market news each month to our members and I encourage them to do the same. We also share publishing successes at the beginning of our meeting and it&#8217;s gratifying to see something in print that we helped a fellow writer polish. The group has been active since 2002, with members who have come and gone, growing to as many as 12 (too many, actually, for same-night critiquing), to our now comfortable and stable group of 6. </p>
<p>I also co-founded a Seattle-area group during the 1990s with friend and fellow writer Shannon Woodward, and it, too, ended up with six members. That one operated differently, in that we emailed or brought pieces to be critiqued a month in advance (a policy I tend to prefer because of the depth of attention and resultant feedback I can give someone&#8217;s writing). My group here in Iowa prefers bringing work to the meeting the same night, so I&#8217;ve adapted. We take an hour to read followed by an hour to discuss feedback. It works for us.</p>
<p>As for meeting places, the Seattle group rotated between members&#8217; homes, while my Iowa group meets at a local Panera&#8217;s cafe, making use of the free conference room. We used to meet in the public library until last year&#8217;s massive Iowa flood destroyed the main library, pushing groups who needed conference rooms to the other two smaller libraries in our area&#8211;scheduling became impossible, so we moved to the cafe.</p>
<p>In addition, I have been subject to the &#8220;Iowa workshop&#8221; experience, having participated in two semesters offered to undergrad students, the &#8220;Creative Writing Workshop&#8221; and the recently revived &#8220;Writers&#8217; Workshop, Fiction for Undergraduates&#8221; (my submitted story won me a spot during my final semester as an undergrad). The biggest adjustment I found I had to make was that many of my classmates critiqued from personal preference or idiosyncrasies, rather than trying to make the pieces the &#8220;best&#8221; they could be, to realize their full potential. There was also some showing off going on, or writing for shock value rather than writing something of value. I&#8217;m still grateful for the experience and the challenge to produce some interesting new projects generated from those classes, but I also value the feedback from my writing friends who may not have an MFA, but who successfully write for publication, or who bring insight from their life experience in their feedback to bear on my own projects.</p>
<p>Thanks again for sharing your time and expertise with us writers in the graduate class as well as online, Lee. It&#8217;s a pleasure to meet you and benefit from <i>your</i> experience.</p>
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		<title>Comment on NY Times Book Critics Should Practice What They Preach by Maria Roberts</title>
		<link>http://www.leegutkind.com/blogs/?p=16&#038;cpage=1#comment-31</link>
		<dc:creator>Maria Roberts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 10:01:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The great thing about workshops is that they prepare you for criticism like that... and jealousy... and the whole mix of what happens when showing work to other people.&lt;br /&gt;
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Ours were more about putting work out there than the nuts and bolts of the prose (that was MMU in England) &lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The great thing about workshops is that they prepare you for criticism like that&#8230; and jealousy&#8230; and the whole mix of what happens when showing work to other people.</p>
<p>Ours were more about putting work out there than the nuts and bolts of the prose (that was MMU in England) <br />
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		<title>Comment on NY Times Book Critics Should Practice What They Preach by Pilar Graham</title>
		<link>http://www.leegutkind.com/blogs/?p=16&#038;cpage=1#comment-30</link>
		<dc:creator>Pilar Graham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 11:49:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Workshops remind me of the importance of returning to ones work, giving a chance to see its absorbtion rate; and I suppose, like anything, even workshops fall vicitim to misuse (and critical generalizations).&lt;br /&gt;
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Remember, any and all peers are simply back seat drivers...you can choose to listen to them as they point their fingers...or not, ironically, I learned that in a graduate school workshop.&lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Workshops remind me of the importance of returning to ones work, giving a chance to see its absorbtion rate; and I suppose, like anything, even workshops fall vicitim to misuse (and critical generalizations).</p>
<p>Remember, any and all peers are simply back seat drivers&#8230;you can choose to listen to them as they point their fingers&#8230;or not, ironically, I learned that in a graduate school workshop.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Creative Writing Critique Groups by Jane Gassner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jane Gassner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 14:47:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Came upon your site the long way, via a FB post on CNF&#039;s call for blog entries.  Now I&#039;m wondering: what universe was I in that I didn&#039;t know about you?  I&#039;m a Pittsburgh girl, born and bred, and did my BA at Pitt with a minor in creative writing (back in the Monte Culver days).  I&#039;ve done just about every job there is in nonfiction writing (including teaching), and now I&#039;m the founder and editor of MidLifeBloggers.  I&#039;m about to start a MidLifeBloggers Writer&#039;s Workshop,so I was particularly interested in the points you make in this post about workshops.  Thank you--and now that I&#039;ve found you, I&#039;ll be back.   </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Came upon your site the long way, via a FB post on CNF&#8217;s call for blog entries.  Now I&#8217;m wondering: what universe was I in that I didn&#8217;t know about you?  I&#8217;m a Pittsburgh girl, born and bred, and did my BA at Pitt with a minor in creative writing (back in the Monte Culver days).  I&#8217;ve done just about every job there is in nonfiction writing (including teaching), and now I&#8217;m the founder and editor of MidLifeBloggers.  I&#8217;m about to start a MidLifeBloggers Writer&#8217;s Workshop,so I was particularly interested in the points you make in this post about workshops.  Thank you&#8211;and now that I&#8217;ve found you, I&#8217;ll be back.</p>
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		<title>Comment on NY Times Book Critics Should Practice What They Preach by R.B. Moreno</title>
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		<dc:creator>R.B. Moreno</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Aug 2009 12:06:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m in particular agreement here: &quot;Workshops are beginnings–months and sometimes years of revision and development should follow.&quot;  That&#039;s a fine admonishment to keep in mind as the fall semester gets underway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m in particular agreement here: &#8220;Workshops are beginnings–months and sometimes years of revision and development should follow.&#8221;  That&#8217;s a fine admonishment to keep in mind as the fall semester gets underway.</p>
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		<title>Comment on NY Times Book Critics Should Practice What They Preach by Marjie Stewart</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marjie Stewart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 12:48:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amen, brother. There&#039;s a lot of criticism of the workshop out there, but not so much suggestion about how to improve it. I&#039;ll be quoting you! </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amen, brother. There&#8217;s a lot of criticism of the workshop out there, but not so much suggestion about how to improve it. I&#8217;ll be quoting you!</p>
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		<title>Comment on From the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette by Denise Murden</title>
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		<dc:creator>Denise Murden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 16:10:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was one of your students in your early years of teaching, graduating from the University of Pittsburgh in 1975. I never forgot and still have a letter from you, Dr. G., that you took the time to write when I failed to meet your expectations in one of your courses. I had taken several courses with you previously, but for some reason I&#039;ve long since forgotten, I was distracted by other issues in my life during this one particular course, turned in assignments late or half done, and you were quite irritated with me. Although I was disappointed by my &quot;C&quot; rather than the&quot;A&#039;s&quot; and &quot;B&#039;s&quot; that you had previously given me, I never forgot the lesson you taught me. (I did, by the way, get my degree in writing and have actually built my entire career largely on that skill.) Over the past four years, while working full-time and taking care of a family, I&#039;ve been working on my master&#039;s degree. My, how times have changed. I work hard for my A&#039;s but am often discouraged when some of my younger professors easily pass out A&#039;s and B&#039;s to others who haven&#039;t worked half as hard. I see it at my daughter&#039;s high school too. She struggles with learning disabilities, but still her father and I expect her to do the level of work required and be judged fairly against others as long as she is provided with accomodations. I fully agree with you--we are inculcating levels of expectation for achievement in our schools that leads to the kind of unethical behavior we are now seeing in all realms of our society. I&#039;m all for making people feel good about themselves, but it seems we&#039;ve gone too far. When we stop expecting people to perform to standards we can expect they will often simply put in the minimally required effort. Thanks for speaking out and for teaching me an important lesson many years ago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was one of your students in your early years of teaching, graduating from the University of Pittsburgh in 1975. I never forgot and still have a letter from you, Dr. G., that you took the time to write when I failed to meet your expectations in one of your courses. I had taken several courses with you previously, but for some reason I&#8217;ve long since forgotten, I was distracted by other issues in my life during this one particular course, turned in assignments late or half done, and you were quite irritated with me. Although I was disappointed by my &#8220;C&#8221; rather than the&#8221;A&#8217;s&#8221; and &#8220;B&#8217;s&#8221; that you had previously given me, I never forgot the lesson you taught me. (I did, by the way, get my degree in writing and have actually built my entire career largely on that skill.) Over the past four years, while working full-time and taking care of a family, I&#8217;ve been working on my master&#8217;s degree. My, how times have changed. I work hard for my A&#8217;s but am often discouraged when some of my younger professors easily pass out A&#8217;s and B&#8217;s to others who haven&#8217;t worked half as hard. I see it at my daughter&#8217;s high school too. She struggles with learning disabilities, but still her father and I expect her to do the level of work required and be judged fairly against others as long as she is provided with accomodations. I fully agree with you&#8211;we are inculcating levels of expectation for achievement in our schools that leads to the kind of unethical behavior we are now seeing in all realms of our society. I&#8217;m all for making people feel good about themselves, but it seems we&#8217;ve gone too far. When we stop expecting people to perform to standards we can expect they will often simply put in the minimally required effort. Thanks for speaking out and for teaching me an important lesson many years ago.</p>
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